Stealthkibbler - Illyall
BYOND username:
Stealthkibbler
Banning admin:
IlyaIII
Where were you banned:
https://i.imgur.com/6aePJYx.png
Type of Ban:
Temporary
Duration of ban(if temp):
2 weeks
Reason for ban:
As your wonderful rules state: "The violation will always be seen in the context6 of events that came before it. Usually the responsbility lies with the creator of the situation." The situation in question was created by you and IH Operative, but in case of Operative that started to shoot you, they've used stun taser to which you've decided to answer with lethal plasma, and thats not a valid self defense. Just as resisting arrest while screaming in radio isn't a good thing to show either, especially when IH tried to treat your wounds before getting you anywhere else. In the end you've shown that you are able to at least stop writing in capital letters to explain the situation to IH around you but it was a bit too late to change anything. The whole situation spiraled out of control after that and you've played a major role in inciting to mutiny by constantly screaming in radio about IH that wants to kill you. It's less than a week from your previous ban for validhunting IH so that doesn't make a good picture of you. You have two weeks to think about it.
Your version of events:
My version of the events: I asked an AI to let me into cargo to get a fuhrer, I walked in and an Operative asked me what I was doing there but I didn't see his chat since I was blinded and not paying attention to chat, just focused on getting the fuhrer corpse, I leave cargo via the hallway that connects into disposal and delivery, I was quick enough to have left before the cargo door closed on itself. The Operative chased me out of cargo but I did not notice until I saw the martin beams hit the wall next to me, I upholstered my cassad and fired a shot at him, it connected and I tried to continue on my way to collect the fuhrer when he continued to pursue me. Someone else who was helping me ranch roaches during the round passed by and picked up the fuhrer and amidst this the OP came up the stairs from the hallway into the small section that has windows looking into the cargo shelf area. He fired lethal rifle rounds into me and thats when I fired back another cassad shot, injured, bleeding and in flashing red health I ran into the barge hallway and threw myself into a nearby locker, the Operative then with his lethal loaded rifle wielded in both hands comes down the hallway, knows I'm in the locker and started yelling at me. I didnt really trust him on account of one more rifle burst would have killed me but I also didnt want to fight him any further. I simply did the only thing I felt I could do, I told him I was blind but it was stuttered he responded with "bullshit" and refused to believe me, he kept yelling at me in all caps to get out of the locker, I still didn't trust him so I called for help in stutters over common that the operative is going to murder me.
Thats when the inspector who was Gray showed up along with 4 people who knew me and helped me with the roach ranching earlier in the round, one of the people in the crowd a player who I had never seen before quite literally saved my life after I took a lethal wire splicing shock in maint. This is when the Operative opened the locker, and not resisting and my cassad holstered he shoved me down and stun-gloved me, He instantly covered my mouth in-front of everyone, people in the crowd shouted to stop covering my mouth along with yelling at him that I was bleeding out from the lethal rounds. He took me to medical and on the way I kept trying to tell him that I'm blind, he kept responding with "bullshit", the crowd followed, about two thirds of them being people I had helped and had helped me in the round.
While in medical the operative treated my wounds and I kept engaging in the back and forth of telling him I was blind and he kept saying he doesn't believe me. I asked him to body scan me and he refused, it was at this moment when a changeling among the crowd began stinging people.
In a panic the Operative with the Inspector rushed me to the brig; at this moment I was legitimately convinced he was going to kill me, because of him covering my mouth, refusing to body scan me and not actually making an attempt or wanting to communicate to me. Thats when I yelled for help at the lobby, I said that they were going to silence me and much to my expectation; they did, they removed my radio and full-stripped me there and then. Thats when I could hear windows breaking from lobby, many of my friends followed and arrived at the lobby to breakin and recover me. Then in probably the most crucial part of everything going on the Operative elected to immediately execute me for "mutiny" a crime usually only reserved for Excelsiors, his explanation to the FO in the short 1 minute was "He mutinied", I never once asked people to cause harm, I never explicitly commanded them to overthrow command or IH as a whole, they did all that of their own volition, I simply said the words "Help me they are going to silence me" in common radio and in response to this they silenced me and then executed me not even 2 minutes later.
After the Operative threw me into the slime infested permabrig naked and handcuffed I ahelped saying that I was executed for a blue paragraph, because the initial infiltration I was initially chased for was because the AI let me in and due to a miscommunication. I then sent Gray a message in DMs about how I ended up causing another anti IH riot that killed IH, I wasn't squeemish to mention it, what I didnt expect was the colossal tantrum he threw, he simply responded to me by saying "are you reading dead chat" and then "fuck you", blocking me before I could even explain what happened. I didnt look at deadchat much and if I did say anything it was incredibly brief and I forgot what it was. I saw that the Operative was a player that has in the last week harassed me on a few accounts, one of which Reere had to tell them to and I quote "Shut the fuck up, nobody wants to listen to you", this is why I didnt read deadchat or made an effort to remember anything from it. I expected more harassment from this individual following what happened.
Gray then decided to punish the entire community as a whole, in a fit of uncontrolled rage he took down the server and made a big announcement. People were in Docks wondering wtf happened when I popped in to simply clarify that it was because Gray died and is kinda pissed for better or worse words. Gray then went on multiple tangents and spiels, despite having me blocked mentioning me about how awful of a person I am, about how he refuses to come back to the community until I'm banned and just generally being overtly toxic, He later deleted pretty much all of these messages. Amidst the en docks debacle the same operative and player decided to have a go at me. Chatlogs of him saying all the nasty stuff he did about me in achat and whatnot reached me pretty quickly, what with how crazy everything was. Despite this I tried to send him a message in dms to say sorry that it all upset him but I was still blocked, hesitant to say anything in docks in-front of the two people who were consistently throwing vitriol at me I swallowed my pride and mentioned Gray saying that if he didn't impulse block me the apology would have went through. No surprise I received more vitriol from said two individuals, one of which was the IH Operative mentioned before
Why you think you should be unbanned:
Forgive my pessimism but to be quite honest I dont expect to unbanned, I talked to a few staff prior to this appeal; one of which was the banning admin and I dont agree with this ban whatsoever, although I dont expect anyone to care what I think. I will still do my best to reconstruct my frustration into an explanation, this is why I dont agree with the ban-
1.The banning admin showed me logs entirely inaccurate to what happened, for example he said that I was never shot with lethals, I told him to check again and he surfaced logs that showed I was indeed shot with lethals, but the logs show I was shot before asking the AI to let me into Cargo which is awkward because the Operative didnt give chase to me until after I had entered and exited the shuttle Bay let alone interact with me. This lack of knowing the full context of what transpired and what lead up to the attack on IH seems to either be ignored or glossed over and in of itself is my main reason why this ban is unjustified, it is in my honest opinion a kneejerk ban in reaction to Grays outburst in order to haphazardly and desperately mend a broken wound; for better or worse analogy.
2. This ban is my second ever ban (third if you count a small 2 hour ban Gray gave me some time back) on Eris and its honestly one of the longest bans I've ever seen. I feel this is incredibly blown out of proportion, I dont think anyone should have been banned period, I mainly ahelped the Operative executed me because me trying to talk to him during the entire thing didnt work and this was someone who treats me like absolute vitriol in deadchat and ooc. There was zero chance this person was ever going to listen to me in this entire scenario, but still I wouldnt have wished a ban on him, I think it would create further resentment and wanted someone to mediate it.
3. I do believe the new IH vs Vagabond rule (To put it simply) is being enforced by Gray with way too heavy of what I would call an Iron Fist, I think his outburst is telling that he shovels too much responsibility onto himself recently what with the new influx of players and the anxiety that one player might sour the servers reputation. I can give multiple interactions I had with Gray where I simply showed him something funny I saw a player to do only for him to respond that he "had a talk with that player", I think hes perceiving things too harshly and I have not recieved this treatment from any other staff member on Eris, all of this from Gray is a first and it came with the new IH vs Vagabond rule that he announced. There is many other telling signs of him being way to stressed out that I've observed when hes jumped into voicechat and talked about Eris and his role as EN Sector Head but I will not go into detail out of respect for him.
4. More on the topic of the actual ban reason, in this case the entire context of the situation was very clearly not taken into account, as stated earlier in point number One and I will further elaborate on individual cases of this reflected in the ban reason.
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me being the creator of the situation is abstract because there were multiple antags that unlike my previous 24hr ban latched onto this one and clearly headed the breakin with no hesitation. Me saying "I need help, they are going to silence me" is not the same as "Rise up against IH and kill them all", other people, some of which were antags percieved that differently. I wasn't trying to start a riot, I was trying to not be killed by Ironhammer. Which by the way I never killed anybody in the entirety of that round, yet I was executed because other people turned my "Help me please" into a ticket to kill all of Ironhammer.
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Me firing back at the Operative part just completely ignores my attempts to negotiate with him after, it was very obvious I got scared and panicked when the Operative shot at me, I couldnt fully see everything going on with my screen and to be quite honest I was more focused on the fuhrer corpse than anything else at the time. I did not have any other weapon available so it was a kneejerk reaction.
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The screaming in radio part is completely dishonest, the first instance occurred while I was in the locker in flashing red health bleeding out was when I first said this operative is going to murder me, He was close enough to my locker that I saw him wielding the lethal loaded rifle and he was yelling at me in all caps. The second instant occurred on the way to brig because he refused to bodyscan me for the eye damage and the third occurred in the IH area because I was convinced he was going to kill me.
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Saying this is related to my other ban is egregious, in my other ban I quite literally physically lead people to IH brig, was the person who fired the first shot and ontop of that did infact kill someone that round(who happened to be a miner trying to kill someone who helped me previously in the round mind you.) This particular part of the ban reason is incredibly reaching for an additional reason to justify the 2 week ban time let alone the ban itself.
Extra notes:
More on the topic of the ban as a whole, the entire justification for the ban is shoddy and strewn about, it was so effortless for me to talk to the banning admin and in a minute find out he knew less about the actually ongoing of what happened from looking at logs than people who were bystanders during the arrest. I'd like to be optimistic and say its just a bad ban and shit happens, but with everything I mentioned earlier I would stress that this is very indicating that when you end up banning swathes of new players every few days because of a new rule, maybe that new rule doesn't fit with the current atmosphere of the game. If in the future when the antags are fleshed out and can contribute consistent and interesting conflict scenarios and interactions in the round then there would probably be less IH players who fervently go after people so far as to in my case persue me for a crime they thought I committed which could've easily been fixed if they just scrolled up in common radio a few lines to see me ask the AI to let me in; then maybe in that future the rule would fit nicely into place. As of now IH players get bored out of their fucking skulls and will jump at literally anything and persue it with frothing barbarity until they get their justice due regardless of if its fair or not to the other player.
I'm brazen enough to say this isn't an issue with players or rules in particular, its an issue with current content available to the server, forcing change in the community as a whole with this ironfisted throttling of players who dont adhere to your new rule is very reminiscnent of the HIGH RP servers Gray so solemly exclaims Eris will never become like. These interactions happen between Ironhammer and Vagabonds because the current Antags as mentioned before do not contribute enough conflict and interesting behaviour to the round and I'd be more than happy to go on a tangent about why each antag doesnt contribute enough conflict but thats well realised what with the alloted changes the roles will be getting.
Think for a moment and entertain such a scenario and environment, in a round where antags are actively and consistently providing conflict and interest in a round IH would be occupied and busy with persuing them to slip up with Vagabonds as often as they do. I've played enough Excel rounds to know that the moment IH hear about Excel anyone who is confirmed non Excel get the green pass of being ignored by IH, this presence of an active antagonist is what Eris lacks and shoehorning this sort of adminning into the server will not remedy the issue but create a barrier between staff and players who are trying to play the game. I've known Gray for years and all of a sudden two bans and he blocks me, hates everything about me and professes me the antichrist or something, I joke a bit but I think this sort of adminning goes to show the lasting impact and damage it would have on Eris. Its not healthy.